The facts about the RTMP plug-in...

[Andy Heinlein]

Hi...

The old RTMP plug-in was broken by Adobe a week after all those legal shenanigans took place. Holding on to it isn't helping you at all.

3.02 has a new RTMP plug-in that handles RTMP scenarios much better. No, you still can't get those Hi-Def movies off of Hulu -- you can't with the old plug-in either.

Just trust me on the fact that the new RTMP plug-in in 3.02 is much better. Holding on to 3.01 just hinders your Replay Media Catcher experience for no good reason.

Why not stop in and try out the new 3.02 today. It's a free upgrade and it is a much more handsome application.

Follow these steps!

Uninstall 3.01
Reboot your machine (important!)
Install 3.02


Thanks y'all!
-andy.

P.S. Please don't tell me that I suck because it doesn't work with RTMPE-only servers anymore.

[micromedia]

I'm happy cause now I can capture Perry Mason off of CBS again. :)

BTW, you dont' suck.:)

[Tasha Heinlein]

Thanks y'all!
-andy.

P.S. Please don't tell me that I suck because it doesn't work with RTMPE-only servers anymore.

YOU SUCK! ;)

Tasha

[HomeVideoGuy]

You don't suck at all. I have always been impressed with your product support. Too bad RMC doesn't (can't) work with RTMPE any more.

I actually wanted to thank you for the advice. Hulu is all but dead to me now. So I took your advice and updated to 3.02. I can rip CBS.com again!:)
Hulu is still dead for any new videos. It sees them ( 360p and 480p) but doesn't rip them. RMC is still a good product for the sites it does work on however.

Thanks for the continued updates!

[dragonfang196]

any fox or USA shows able to rip? hulu's not working for most.

[seventree]

Hi...

3.02 has a new RTMP plug-in that handles RTMP scenarios much better. No, you still can't get those Hi-Def movies off of Hulu -- you can't with the old plug-in either. But, you can get the normal-definition movies just fine.



Actually I don't want Hi-Def. I am converting these files from FLV to MPG (for burning to SVCD discs) and the convert program won't handle H264. Anyway the old _FLASH_700K_ stream files did convert, and looked pretty good on SVCD considering it's playing from a CD.

But for about the past week neither AMC 3.01 or 3.02 catches these streams, it doesn't seem to see them. At first I thought Hulu was only streaming 360P and 480P, but when I run the trial version of a competing program, it catches and downloads a stream with a name like this:

HuluTranscode_70982_91136_FLASH_700K_16x9_23_976__ XZvFTlVZz0yp65r02-rVhg.flv

...which is what I am looking for. So apparently it is still possible to get Hulu to serve this stream format, but it isn't happening for AMC. Can you tell me why? I would like to stay with AMC, if I can solve this problem.

As a temporary workaround I am using AMC with FanCast.com, which apparently serves Hulu content but only in the _FLASH_480K_ format, obviously giving up some quality. But at this point this seems to be the only way that works.

[Johnzo]

3.02 sucks I'm going back to the old plugin.

[Tasha Heinlein]

I just tested Hulu with some family Guy episodes and I was able to capture them. Is there a specific video you can't capture that you can send me a link to? Thanks!

Best Regards,

Tasha Heinlein
Applian Technologies, Inc.

[seventree]

Tasha,

There are several but the one I was just testing is the latest Simpsons "How the Test was Won". That is the episode that produced the download file name from my previous post (using a competing program). Doing the same thing with RMC 301 or 302 produces no results, the download listbox stays empty while the episode plays. I was able to get a _FLASH_480K_ download of the same using RMC 302 by going to the FanCast site rather than direct from Hulu.

I don't understand all the tech details but I assume the streams with names containing _FLASH_480K_ and _FLASH_700K_ are the old "native" FLV streams, before they started encapsulating 360P and 480P H264 streams - is that correct?

One change I notice on Hulu is, I used to be able to get the 700K stream by clicking off the Watch Hi-Res option, now that just toggles between 480P and 360P. I can't find any way to fall back to the 700K streams using RMC, but I know Hulu still serves them because the other program still downloads them.

Tuesday update: downloaded latest Heroes, Medium, & Simpsons using the other program, as _FLASH_700K_ RTMP streams, this morning. So it can be done (for now). But still not with RMC.

[MatthewC1000]

Hi...

The old RTMP plug-in was broken by Adobe a week after all those legal shenanigans took place. Holding on to it isn't helping you at all.

3.02 has a new RTMP plug-in that handles RTMP scenarios much better. No, you still can't get those Hi-Def movies off of Hulu -- you can't with the old plug-in either. But, you can get the normal-definition movies just fine.

Just trust me on the fact that the new RTMP plug-in in 3.02 is much better. Holding on to 3.01 just hinders your Replay Media Catcher experience for no good reason.

Why not stop in and try out the new 3.02 today. It's a free upgrade and it is a much more handsome application.

Follow these steps!

Uninstall 3.01
Reboot your machine (important!)
Install 3.02


Thanks y'all!
-andy.

P.S. Please don't tell me that I suck because it doesn't work with RTMPE-only servers anymore.

Well folks, enjoy it while you can. (Rumor has it. (Anon source) http://www.hulu.com in the coming months 4 months (or earlier) will
protect all there FLV video formats with the Adobe RTMPE streaming
protocol systems which means: Replay Media catcher will no longer with that site. What is my advice? Take advantage of Hulu.com site current
generosity towards RMC......:D
Replay Video capture will be the only resort when hulu makes these changes.

Kind Regards.

[KTan941]

MTV videos still cannot be recorded especially the new ones like the America's Best Dance Crew videos.

[sehr]

I suspect and hope that Applian and their wizards are working tirelessly to crack the RTMPE stream. There is nothing more rewarding to a hacker than to, well....to hack. Besides you make more money that way. If they have to move offshore, like Slysoft, well, invite me along to those nice beaches in the Bahamas!

I was doing fine with Hulu until last week. Last night it was still letting me pull short clips from SNL and other shorties, but nothing more.

In another RMC forum here someone suggested Fast Pass TV. I went over and found most of the shows I would look for on Hulu and some others I wanted but couldn't find on Hulu, like MythBusters. The quality of the shows varies, from Big 'ol AVIs to MP4 and FLVs, but I watched House last night and it looked and sounded good. You have to endure some nag screens, and the interface isn't as elegant as Hulu, but I'm not complaining (much).

So Applian, keep working on that RTMPE crack and I'll buy you a one of those funny little drinks with the umbrellas in it when you're forced to move to the Bahamas because Adobe gets their panties in a wad, 'cuz you cracked their crack!

-Stu
Sisters, Oregon
(Yes, there is a Sisters, Oregon and it's 95 miles west of Brothers, Oregon)!

[seventree]

I believe Applian has already pledged NOT to circumvent Adobe security measures in any way. I would do the same if I saw the heavy boot of Adobe's legal staff coming down on me.

However in the last week or so I have been unable to "catch" even the old 700K Flash Video RTMP streams for the shows I follow on Hulu, and there doesn't seem to be any support for that. So I have reluctantly switched to another RMC-like program called <removed by member> that (so far) is able to download these streams, including the latest episodes of current NBC and Fox shows.

I don't know how long this will last, but right now it seems to be the only game in town.

[Andy Heinlein]

So I have reluctantly switched to another RMC-like program called Jaksta that (so far) is able to download these streams, including the latest episodes of current NBC and Fox shows.

I don't know how long this will last, but right now it seems to be the only game in town.

Jaksta can not record RTMPE (hi-def hulu, for example).
Jaksta can not record Move player (fox.com, abc.com, for example).

Please don't post this nonsense on Applian's boards. Usually I would delete your advertisement, but i just want everyone to know that what this guy claims is impossible.

[Tasha Heinlein]

I believe Applian has already pledged NOT to circumvent Adobe security measures in any way. I would do the same if I saw the heavy boot of Adobe's legal staff coming down on me.

However in the last week or so I have been unable to "catch" even the old 700K Flash Video RTMP streams for the shows I follow on Hulu, and there doesn't seem to be any support for that. So I have reluctantly switched to another RMC-like program called Jaksta that (so far) is able to download these streams, including the latest episodes of current NBC and Fox shows.

I don't know how long this will last, but right now it seems to be the only game in town.

I just tested Jaksta and I wasn't able to record from FOX or any other site that Media Catcher doesn't work with. Is there some trick I am not aware of? I would be interested to know if there is program out there that is capable of capturing from sites that Media Catcher can't. I would not, however, care to see false information posted about a program to try and defer people from using our programs.

Best Regards,

Tasha Heinlein
Applian Technologies, Inc.

[seventree]

Tasha, Andy:

What I reported is what I have personally experienced. For example, several times I have attempted to record the latest episode of Simpsons on Hulu, using RMC as I have been doing for the last 6 months. However in the last week doing this has resulted in NO captures by RMC 301 or 302. The stream runs in the Flash player but the RMC listbox remains empty. Toggling the Hulu Hi-Res button does not help.

When I do the same thing using <unamed program> the Flash Video 700K stream is reliably captured and downloaded. Perhaps this has not been your experience but it has, honestly and repeatedly, been mine. I have no wish to disrespect your product (I am a licenced user of nearly everything Applian sells) but my previous posts about this situation in the last 3 days have not been answered. BTW in those earlier posts I was careful NOT to name the other program, I was just trying to present my test results clearly in the hope that someone could explain the anomaly. My goal was to start a productive dialog, not provoke confrontation.

However I will respect your wishes and not post "advertisements" or anything else on your boards in the future.

Richard Peterson

[seventree]

Ok I'm back again, this time with a humble confession.

Everything I said in my post comparing RMC with another program was true yesterday and the day before. I ran alternating tests with both programs and one of them was able to find & capture FLASH_700K (non-H264) streams from Hulu, while the other could not. However today that has changed. Now neither program can download the test episode (Simpsons 20-11), so NO OTHER PROGRAM WORKS ANY BETTER THAN RMC.

I can still get that episode with RMC via FanCast.com, which AFAIK is a legal "front" for Hulu and carries most if not all of its content. However currently they only seem to serve FLASH_480K streams which is less than ideal for HD purists but good enough for my purposes. This situation, of course, could change at any time.

Final note: I realize I should have used the Tech Support link to bring up product criticisms and comparisons instead of the public forum.

PS: I NEVER said that J**** or any other program could record RTMPE, only that on the days I ran the tests J**** could "see" a 700K RTMP stream and on the same days, RMC apparently could not; I was wondering why. Also I never mentioned ABC.com, I know their tech is ironclad. Which is why my wife and I watch "Lost" on her laptop every Friday.

[flvrec0r3r]

I can admit to trying other clients that seem to work when RMC does not. I believe this behavior just mirrors, literally, the behavior I described elsewhere as the "yesterday I could record it --- today I could not" syndrome.

It's just that ocassionally users are hitting the servers or content that still might allow recording in the reverse order of the usual example I gave. So they briefly experience a "yesterday I could not record it --- today I could" syndrome. Whatever software is in use on the given "today" is perceived as magic.

[MatthewC1000]

Jaksta can not record RTMPE (hi-def hulu, for example).
Jaksta can not record Move player (fox.com, abc.com, for example).

Please don't post this nonsense on Applian's boards. Usually I would delete your advertisement, but i just want everyone to know that what this guy claims is impossible.

The name Jaksta company in slang, knowed for: "getting-***"...

Sorry couldn't resist...:D

Please take my comment as a joke...;)


:)

[Sucric]

Follow these steps!

Uninstall 3.01
Reboot your machine (important!)
Install 3.02




How do you uninstall and install? Is this an option on the application or done on the computer system some where?

I downloaded the new version, but was not able to find out how to use it.

[seventree]

I just tested Jaksta and I wasn't able to record from FOX or any other site that Media Catcher doesn't work with. Is there some trick I am not aware of? I would be interested to know if there is program out there that is capable of capturing from sites that Media Catcher can't. I would not, however, care to see false information posted about a program to try and defer people from using our programs.

Best Regards,

Tasha Heinlein
Applian Technologies, Inc.

I was referring to Fox broadcast tv shows on Hulu, such as Bones, Simpsons, Fringe, or Dollhouse. And I was not trying to denigrate your product or post false information. I was just trying to figure out why, when I ran several sequential tests, RMC apparently could not "see" the 700K RTMP Hulu streams when the other program could. I thought you might have some advice, something I was doing wrong. But as I have posted elsewhere, it no longer matters because Hulu seems to have eliminated these old Flash Video RTMP streams altogether.

[MatthewC1000]

It appears that Jaksta works on hide (http://porntube.com)
and, Replay Media Catcher does not...:(

Don't know what to tell ya...

[jhb50]

I too am testing various products for RTMP(E) capabilities. Hopefully this note will explain the differences and the confusion in the above notes.

The current V3.09 of the alternate program to RMC was capable of capturing the 700K streams from HULU until HULU made a change recently. The Beta of their next release (V3.10) (provided by their tech support yesterday) again captures the 700K stream, so perhaps this is why Applan has not been able to reproduce the 700K capture if they were using the free v3.09 after HULU made the change.

It seems that RMC only attempts to download the video stream that is being watched. RMC 3.01 does not recognize the current RTMPE stream played by HULU, but 3.02 does recognize it and reports as follows:

Internal error while trying to download RTMP stream
Exception:
m_nErrType = 11
m_strDesc = "code: NetConnection.Connect.Rejected
description: [ AccessManager.Reject ] : Must use RTMPE or RTMPTE on this connection"
m_strFile = F:\proj32\TestRTMPClient\RTMPStreamRip.cpp
m_nLineNumber = 969

The alternate program to RMC however looks at the flash playlist rather than the playing video and attempts to grab all streams. Hence it sees and grabs the non-playing and non-encrypted streams but is unable to grab the encrypted streams. This can be somewhat confusing since in the case of Mondays "24" episode, it grabs the RTMP 16:9 512x288 and the 700K 4:3 480x360 streams and rejects the RTMPE 16x9_24fps_H264_Medium, the 16x9_24fps_H264_650K and the 16x9_24fps_H264_400K RTMPE streams. However it is better to get everything than nothing.

This may be a design difference between the two programs but currently RMC canot grab the non-playing streams in the play list.

[seventree]

The previous post exactly matches my experiences with these 2 programs over the past week. I think jhb50's explanations make sense given what I have seen. This is the situation I was trying to describe earlier in the thread when I got crossways with the moderators.

[Tasha Heinlein]

Some days I am easily confused :) Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thanks for some useful info, I'll let Andy know.

Best Regards,

Tasha Heinlein
Applian Technologies, Inc.

[micromedia]

FYI
J****** also can record some streaming movies from netflix. Movie (Transsiberian) was one of them.(Man on a wire) is another. Granted the DRM is still there and to play it windows media player wants your netflix user name and password.

I have noticed that it makes numerous extra downloads of the same stream so you have to cancel all the extra streams.

Hope this is useful info for all.

[flvrec0r3r]

It appears that Jaksta works on hide
Just to caution other *cough* software testers like me. Maybe others have better experiences. But I jumped through the hoops at that site for the "free lifetime membership" allowing myself to believe I'd have access to some of the content shown. And then I could *ahem* try and record some of it. You know, for software testing.

The "free lifetime membership" content turned out to be JPEG's in a zip file. A new zip file every day. No movies were available for free viewing, um... software testing.

Weird, a free lifetime membership can't be cancelled. So whatever checking or credit card info given will remain with them on file until what I am worried about is a "sorry your account was charged for a bunch of movies, aparently someone guessed your password" event.

Just a note so others might not repeat my quality assurance testing mistake.

[Tasha Heinlein]

flvrec0r3r,

I just want to let you know how much we all appreciate you putting yourself out like that to test this site. For the greater good ;)

[jhb50]

I believe Andy's post at the start of this thread is misleading in saying that Hulu standard def files will record just fine in 3.02. Fact is that RMC only records what is played and HULU now plays only RTMPE versions of the files and even though the old RTMP Standard def files are there, they are no longer played by HULU so RMC does not record them.

Similarly the FAQ that states the old 3.01 will work if installed long ago is also out of date since it does not reflect the subsequent Adobe changes posted here by Andy that explain why it does not.

It would save a lot of confusion if the FAQ was brought up to date with this latest info.

[Tasha Heinlein]

Unless I am missing something the FAQ states: "If you've installed Replay Media Catcher 3.01 prior to January 28, 2009, no new plug-in downloads will occur unless you delete the old files on your PC." This still holds true. We are not forcing any updates to people who feel they want to hang on to the older version. It doesn't say that the older version will continue to work. It also states that we will no longer support the old plug-in. As for the post - Andy posted that when the standard def videos were still working - it wasn't meant to be misleading - it was true at the time. I went ahead and edited it, so there shouldn't be any more confusion.