First beat of song cut off

[maytrix]

I'm finding that the first beat or first half of a beat is often cut off on Spotify and was wondering if a future release could address this issue. I realize you don't have access to spotify in Europe however I'm assuming this problem may be occurring in other music programs as well.

I've been testing all different silence / split settings and it seems intermittent - like I don't always get a reliable result as far as this issue. Sometimes it works fine - sometimes not but since I'm mixing music one this is for certain - it's absolutely critical.

Thanks for any input.

[davegl]

Are you using the web version, or the app. I get almost perfect results with the app...web version was spotty sometimes

[maytrix]

Are you using the web version, or the app. I get almost perfect results with the app...web version was spotty sometimes

I'm using the App. Like you said it's almost perfect. Unfortunately my first cue point needs to be somewhere before the song starts though which makes it problematic.

I guess what I'm wishing for is an option which would allow you to control the amount of silence recorded before the start of a song to ensure the beginning isn't mixed.

Another oddity I noticed is that software claims that the wav files RM makes is corrupt (not closed properly or something.) So to fix this I've been batch re-exporting them with Audacity. I wonder if the issue lies within this area.

[Cheryl Wester]

We do have a silence.mp3 that you can put between songs when doing a playlist in Spotify. If you would like that please contact tech support and I can send it to you.

[davegl]

If you want to use silence between songs, Spotify recommended to me this 10 second song(with no sound at all) already in the Spotify library.

Mudvayne - 12:97:24:99

Works like a charm. I use it when recording live albums mostly.

[maytrix]

Did you ever feel like the closer you get to what you need it that it just moves further away?

I made and tested my own silence.mp3. It seems that RM doesn't actually listen for silence to decide when songs start and stop. It seems like it actually just knows that spotify is playing a song or not. So basically I have a 10 seconds of silence and set my silenece time to various settings (tested from 250 - 5000ms) but RM refuses to detect it as silence. The waveform display is even showing that there is sound even though there isn't any. I confirmed that nothing can be heard in it and that nothing is actually recorded by RM while it's playing. I'm totally confused now.

I even added a tone (then two tones) to the silence file to see if RM would suddenly detect sound and then silence again but that had no effect. It simply knows only when a song is playing and whwhen spotify switches songs. That is it's cue to start a new song recording. I think I'm out of luck.

[maytrix]

If you want to use silence between songs, Spotify recommended to me this 10 second song(with no sound at all) already in the Spotify library.

Mudvayne - 12:97:24:99

Works like a charm. I use it when recording live albums mostly.

Tried that thanks. Same result as described when I made my own silence file.

[maytrix]

Just for documentation purposes I did a search here and found that other people have also posted about this issue. These are the other posts:

https://forum.applian.com/showthread.php?8371-First-500-msecs-missing-for-some-tracks-recorded-from-Spotify

https://forum.applian.com/showthread.php?7353-Very-Beginning-of-Tracks-Being-Cut-Off&highlight=spotify

[maytrix]

sooo......

with this having been reported as an issue in other software (napster) is it possible we could get a fix? I agree with the idea that we're losing a part of the song while it's monitoring for the next song to start. There's just a few milliseconds where it decides the song is playing and starts recording.

My suggestion would be to have a setting that would be to add a user set x miliseconds of recorded sound back to the track after it detects that the song is playing. It should have it since it was already recording.

[Scubasa1]

Hi,
I use the Silence MP3 which was part of the Replay Music 6 setup. I place it into the tracks within Spotify and at the beginning of each playlist. Replay has not missed an intro using this method.
Cheryl should be able to send you this.
Steve

[maytrix]

As mentioned above I have the silence.mp3 and even made my own but it still happening. When others say the beginning is not cut off it' possible that that they don't perceive it because it's just a few milliseconds.

This time counts when you're beat matching.

[Cheryl Wester]

Another option is to adjust the volume so it picks up softer sounds. Thanks.

[Scubasa1]

Hi Maytrix,
I am a musician and work in the tech field, I understand what you are saying but I am saying I don't experience it.
Possibly something to do with your settings?

[maytrix]

Possibly. I've tweaked every available setting in RM many times without consistent success. And sometimes it works right and sometimes not - even on the same song. So maybe its just something with my sound card / computer configuration. Thanks.

[Scubasa1]

Hi Maytrix,
Sorry, my last reply sounded a bit patronising, I hope you didn't think I thought you weren't having a problem and I wasn't. I would love to be able to help. I am trying to figure out why it's happening to you and not to others. I think if it was happening to lots, then Applian would be overwhelmed with posts saying that the beginning of songs are being cut off.
Cheryl. would a log to tech help, or is it something to do with his soundcard like he suggests or a setting? He says he tried them all.
Maybe it is something he's noticed that they rest of us haven't detected yet?
Would love to solve Maytrix's problem.
Can someone in tec analyse his logs?
Cheers
Steve

[Cheryl Wester]

The logs won't help with this issue. I believe it has to do with his sound on his computer or the type of music. If music is soft then you do need to adjust the settings.

[maytrix]

Steve,

No worries. I didn't take it that way at all. By the way I posted a few links higher up to other similar posts. I'm not the only one experiencing it. It could be so slight that people miss it. An example song is Sun and Moon by Above and Beyond. I can clearly hear the slight miss in the start when compared to the spotify version it came from.

[Hoschi]

I'm finding that the first beat or first half of a beat is often cut off on Spotify


Same problem here.

[Cheryl Wester]

Use a playlist. Also, do adjust the silence level in the settings. If possible put a silence.mp3 between each song. All of these items help.